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BerichtGeplaatst: 28 Dec 2005 3:39    Onderwerp: Victoria Cross Reageer met quote


In deze TOPIC zullen regelmatig,naar ik hoop,dingetjes en weetjes geplaatst worden betreffende het VICTORIA CROSS.Zo veel als mogelijk met(eigen)plaatjes erbij.
Het is niet de bedoeling heel de geschiedenis,het behalen en de houders van het VC uiteentezetten.Daar is er genoeg van te vinden.Enkel markante zaakjes worden toegelicht.
Het eerste artikeltje is zoals men dat zo mooi noemt:IN VOORBEREIDING
Veel plezier(hoop ik toch) met het lezen ervan,
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BerichtGeplaatst: 28 Dec 2005 9:57    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

't Is misschien niet veel, maar ik ben bevriend met Major Thomas Mouat (ja, nog een wargamer...), de achterachterneef van één van de eerste dragers van het VC, Surgeon General Sir James Mouat

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BerichtGeplaatst: 31 Dec 2005 1:42    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Captain CHAVASSE Noel Godfrey VC&BAR,MC

Hij is één van de drie die een DOUBLE VC behaalde.Zijn eerste aan de Somme(Guillemont).De tweede in de derde slag om Ieper(Wieltje),deze was postuum.Is ook de enigste met beide VC in WO1.
De twee andere DOUBLE VC hadden een verbinding met Noel:
-MARTIN-LEAKE Arthur.(overleed in 1953)VC in 1902 in de boerenoorlog en in 1914 te Zonnebeke.Was,net als Noel,chirurg en van het RAMC.Hij was in het 46th FIELD AMBULANCE gelegen te BRANDHOEK CROSSROADS.Hij bracht de zwaargewonde(hoofd- en buikwonden) Noel over naar het CCS No 32 in Brandhoek welk gespecialiseerd was in de behandeling van buikwonden.Evenwel had dit soort van verwondingen een slechte reputatie.Slechts 5 à 10 procent overleefden het.Noel was daar niet bij en overleed er kort na zijn operatie.
-UPHAM Charles Hazlitt.(overleed in 1994)Beide VC in WO2.Werd door zijn huwelijk een verre familielid van Noel.
De medailles van Noel in het IWM:

VC&BAR,MC,1914 STAR with CLASP,BWM 1914-20,VM 1914-19 with MID.
Zijn grafsteen:VLAMERTHINGE NEW MILITARY CEMETERY(III-B-15)

Bij de herinrichting van de begraafplaats werden de houten kruisen vervangen door stenen.In 1959 kreeg de CWGC een bericht van hun Ieperse afdeling dat een vermelding van het DSO ontbrak.In 1975 werd een nieuwe steen geplaatst met DSO erop.Bezoekers melden echter vlug dat dit een vergissing was.In 1979 werd deze fout door een steenvullende techniek verwijderd en een kompleet nieuwe hertekening van de steen begon.Een ontwerp met twee kleine VC-emblemen werd aanvaard en geplaatst op 28 april 1981.Dit maakt dat zijn grafsteen uniek is.Het epitaaf,gekozen door zijn vader,bleef steeds hetzelde.

CHAVASSE Christopher Maude(links op de foto):


Noel zijn tweelingbroer die 20 minuten ouder was.Nam als REVEREND deel aan de oorlog en werd later bisschop.Overleed in 1961.Zijn medailles zijn te zien onder deze van Noel:

OBE(military division),MC,1914 STAR with CLASP,BWM 1914-20,VM 1914-19,KING GEORGE CORONATION MEDAL 1937,TERRITORIAL EFFICIENCY DECORATION,CROIX DE GUERRE 1914-18

CHAVASSE Aidan.een jongere broer van Noel, deed in de oorlog dienst als luitenant van het 17th Bn THE KING'S LIVERPOOL REGIMENT.Sneuvelde echter op 4 juli 1917 en is sindsdien vermist.Zijn naam staat vermeld op de MENIN GATE(panel 4 and 6):


Terzijde:links op de foto staan vermeld;RACHIEL A.E.,RACHIEL F.A. en RACHIEL F.G..Dit waren drie broers van THE ROYAL FUSILIERS.Zij sneuvelden samen op 24 april 1915 en zijn sindsdien vermist.

Vermelden we hierbij nog de opmerkelijke familie CHAVASSE;
Vader REVEREND(later bisschop) Francis en moeder MAUDE hadden zeven kinderen die allemaal aktief waren in de oorlog.Samen behaalden zij 2 VC,3 MC en tal van andere onderscheidingen.
De kinderen(in volgorde van geboorte):
DORETHEA:werkte gedurende de oorlog in Engeland bij het organiseren van COMFORTS voor de troepen.
Tweelingen CHRISTOPHER MAUDE en
NOEL GODFREY
Tweelingen EDITH MARJORIE:ziekenzuster en
MARY LAEFA:ziekenzuster in Frankrijk.Overleed in 1989.
FRANCIS BERNARD:had na een ongeval slechts één been.Was een chirurg van het RAMC.Was aktief in Egypte,Gallipoli en het westelijk front.Toen hij vernam dat zijn broer Noel zwaargewond was haaste hij zich naar het CCS No 32 maar kwam te laat om nog hulp te bieden.Hij behhalde ook een MC.Kwam om het leven bij een autoongeval in 1942.
AIDAN

De tweelingzusters bij de viering van hun honderste verjaardag in 1986.Ondertussen zijn beide overleden:

De kans dat identieke tweelingen ouder dan 100 jaar worden is 1 op 700.000.000(zevenhonderdmiljoen)
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BerichtGeplaatst: 02 Jan 2006 1:40    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

ZIJN ALLE VC-MEDAILLES GELIJK IN UITVOERING?
Neen,alle medailles zijn verschillend.
Dit komt door het aanmaken ervan.Ze worden gegoten in brons.Het materiaal komt van Russische kanonnen die buitgemaakt zijn in de krimoorlog.Ze worden dan met de hand bijgewerkt.Als laatste worden ze chemisch bewerkt zodat ze hun donkerbruine kleur bekomen.
Zo zijn er variaties door de nabewerking met de hand en ook kunnen er lichte verschillen in gewicht zijn.De chemische bewerking maakt dat ze lichter van kleur kunnen zijn.
Een goed voorbeeld is te zien in het IWM.Het betreft de VC's van de ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY,L'BATTERY behaald op 1 september 1914 te Nery:

Captain BRADBURY Edward Kinder,BSM DORRELL George Thomas,Sgt NELSON David.
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BerichtGeplaatst: 10 Jan 2006 10:21    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Piper James Cleland RICHARDSON, VC

16th (Canadian Scottish) Battalion, CEF



Born at Bellshill (Lanarkshire) in Scotland on november 25th 1895, he emigrated with his family to Canada in British Columbia.

In 1914, at the beginning of hostilities, he joined the 72nd Seaforth Highlanders. When he left for Europe, he was with the 16th Canadian Scottish and took part in the combat of Saint-Julien in April 1915.

In 1916, his bataillon belonged to the 1st Canadian Brigade (11st Canadian Division) engaged, with Canadian corps, in the fight of the sector of Courcelette and Le Sars. On 8th October 1916, the division's objectifs were the village of Le Sars, Regina Trench as well as a system of defense called The Quadrilateral. The attack started at 4.50 am in the rain. The 16th (Canadian) Scottish Battalion, with the 13th (Royal Highlanders) Battalion, had to capture Regina Trench. When the barrage advanced, the Canadians left their trenches and progressed by waves towards the enemy lines. At first, it was relatively easy because the ground was not shattered . But the soldiers at the head of the battalion discovered the intact german barbed wires and began to look for a way under the fire and grenades of defenders of Regina. The first two waves suffered heavy losses . Major Lynch being mortally wounded, Piper Richardson asked to Company Sergeant-Major Mackie for the authority to play the bagpipes. While men tried to make their way through barbed wires , Richardson came along playing the bagpipes visible to all including Germans. Finally, the trench was captured and occupied.

Later, Richardson help to carry back a wounded comrade but, when he realized he had forgotten his bagpipes, he decided to get them. He was never seen alive again. His body was found after the battle during the clearing of the battlefield . This action was written about a lot of newspapers, because of the image of the lonely piper, walking in No Man's Land through a hail of bullets.

Richardson's award was announced on 22 october 1918 : " For most conspicuous bravey and devotion to duty when, prior to attack, he obtained permission from his Commanding Officer to play his company "over the top". As the company approached the objective it was held up by very strong wire and came under intense fire, which caused heavy casualties and demoralised the formation for the moment. Realising the situation, Piper Richardson strode up and down outside the wire, playing his pipes with the greatest coolness. The effect was instantaneous. Inspired by his splendid example, the company rushed the wire wich such fury and determination that the obstacle was overcome and the position captured. Later, after participating in bombing operations, he was detailed to take back a wounded comrade and prisoners. After proceeding about 200 yards Piper Richardson remembered that he had left his pipes behind. Although strongly urged not to do so, he insisted on returning to recover his pipes. He has never been seen since and death has been presumed accordingly owing to lapse of time."

Richardson is buried at Adanac Military Cemetery, Plot 111, Row F, Grave 36.

Bibliographical sources : VC's of the Somme - Gerald Gliddon - Gliddon Books 1991 (The photograph above is extracted from it) / Courcelette - Paul Reed - Leo Cooper 1998



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BerichtGeplaatst: 10 Jan 2006 10:38    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

hier nog meer Info over CHAVASSE
http://www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.nl/viewtopic.php?t=1011&highlight=chavasse
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BerichtGeplaatst: 16 Jan 2006 20:21    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Erik, je schreef over het VC onlangs het volgende :
Quote:
" ZIJN ALLE VC-MEDAILLES GELIJK IN UITVOERING ? Neen, alle medailles zijn verschillend. Dit komt door het aanmaken ervan.Ze worden gegoten in brons.Het materiaal komt van Russische kanonnen die buitgemaakt zijn in de krimoorlog."


Maar op 28 december 2005 verscheen in the Daily Telegraph het volgende opzienbarende artikel :

Author explodes myth of the gunmetal VC
By Catriona Davies
(Filed: 28/12/2005)

The belief that every Victoria Cross, Britain's highest military honour, is made from cannon captured during the Crimean War is nothing more than a myth, says a book marking the 150th anniversary of the medal.



John Glanfield: ‘There was an accepted legend and no one had researched whether it was true’

John Glanfield, a historian and author of Bravest of the Brave, to be published next month, claims to have exposed the truth about the metal used to make the awards.

It has long been believed that all 1,351 Victoria Crosses awarded have been made of bronze taken from two Russian cannon captured at the siege of Sebastopol and kept in the Royal Arsenal at Woolwich.

The Victoria Cross was instituted on Jan 29, 1856, as the supreme gallantry award and the first to recognise servicemen's brave acts regardless of rank.

The priceless lump of metal, of which there remains enough for a further 85 crosses, is kept in a vault at the Royal Logistic Corps in Donnington, Shropshire. It can be removed only under guard.

By studying historical documents and scientific analysis, Glanfield claims that the Woolwich cannon were not used until 1914, 58 years after the first Victoria Crosses had been produced.

John Glanfield's book
He also says that the precious ingot disappeared during the Second World War, so a different metal was used for five crosses awarded between 1942 and 1945.



"I was astonished," he said. "There was an accepted legend and no one had researched whether it was true. When something has been the belief for 150 years it becomes accepted as the truth."

In the book, he says: "No aspect of the history of the Victoria Cross has been so hotly debated or disputed as the origin of the metal from which it is made.

"The truth has become fogged by time, myth and misinformation. Part of the myth is that every cross has been cast from the two [Woolwich] cannon."

The cannon in Woolwich are Chinese-made, although they have often previously been cited as Russian, and Glanfield says that their origin is an "impenetrable mystery".

He said there was no evidence that they had been captured at Sebastopol, the last big battle of the Crimean War, as was often stated. "The Chinese pieces were not the only, or even the first, to contribute VC metal," he said. "An earlier gun provided bronze from the start.

"When the metal ran out in December 1914, the Chinese cannon took over. The football-size cascabels [knobs] were sawn off at the neck and melted down for VC production, starting not in 1856 but nearly 60 years and some 560 crosses later."

Glanfield cites unpublished X-ray analysis of crosses, carried out at the Royal Armouries and the Australian War Memorial in Canberra, showing that those awarded before 1914 were of a different metal from those afterwards. It is only those since 1914 that match the Woolwich cannon.

Furthermore, an estimated 224lb of metal has been taken from the Woolwich cannon. Glanfield said that to make 12 crosses with a combined weight of 10oz or 11oz required 47oz of gunmetal because of the wastage in the process. Therefore the 224lb would have been enough to make the 810 crosses issued since 1914, but not those previously.

Of the disappearance of the ingot in 1942, he said: "The wartime transfer of the VC block from Woolwich Arsenal with tens of thousands of dispersed depots may have rendered it impossible to trace." He said the War Office covered up the crisis at the time.

Glanfield, who began writing after he retired as a director of the Earl's Court and Olympia exhibition centres, almost turned down the opportunity to write the book because he thought there was nothing new to learn about the Victoria Cross.

However, he changed his mind because he had been inspired by VC holders he had met in his earlier career.

He said: "I found all of them quiet, self-effacing and considered their acts of gallantry to be just a job. These are supermen and I relished the prospect of writing about them. Researching the book was a humbling and awesome experience."

Glanfield decided to research the origins of the crosses themselves, a project that took eight months, because previous histories had concentrated on the recipients and their deeds.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 16 Jan 2006 21:29    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Hans,
Een nieuwe kijk op het gebruikte metaal?
Dat er waarschijnlijk materiaal gebruikt geweest is van Chinese kanonnen is algemeen geweten en is ook nooit ontkend.
Wat de heer Glanfield evenwel vergeet te vermelden,misschien doet hij dat elders,is dat de SUSPENSION(het gelauwerd latje waaraan de medaille hangt) bij vele medailles gemaakt is uit DIE CAST.Als ik het goed voorheb is dit gegoten aluminum.Anders gezegd:het gebruikte metaal doet het niet maar de medaille zelve.
De waarde ervan zal er zeker niet minder door worden.
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BerichtGeplaatst: 17 Jan 2006 7:53    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

A few instances of what the 1354 recipients of the VC did to earn it


On 23 August 1914 at Mons, Belgium, Nimy Bridge was being defended by a single company of Royal Fusiliers and a machine-gun section with Lieutenant Dease in command. The gun fire was intense, and the casualties very heavy, but the lieutenant went on firing in spite of his wounds, until he was hit for the fifth time and was carried away to a place of safety where he died. A private S.F. Godley of the same battalion who had been assisting the lieutenant while he was still able to operate the guns, took over, and alone he used the gun. Private Godley held the enemy from the bridge single-handed for two hours under very heavy fire and was wounded twice. His gallant action covered the retreat of his comrades, but he was eventually taken prisoner. His final act was to destroy the gun and throw the pieces into the canal. Both the Lieutenant and the Private earned the V.C. with the Private becoming the first Private to be awarded the VC in the First World War.



On 24 July 1918 at Rossignol Wood, north of Hebuterne, France, it was necessary to destroy an impassable wire block and Sergeant Travis volunteered for this duty. In broad daylight and in close proximity to enemy posts he crawled out, successfully bombing the block and the attacking parties were able to pass through. A little later when a bombing party was held up by machine-guns Sergeant Travis rushed the position, capturing the guns and killing the crew and also an officer and three men who attacked him, thus enabling the bombing party to advance. He was killed the next day while going from post to post encouraging his men.



On 20 March 1917 in Egypt, during an aerial bomb attack, a pilot was forced to land behind enemy lines, with hostile cavalry approaching. Lieutenant McNamara, seeing the situation, came down through heavy fire to the rescue, despite the fact that he himself was wounded. He landed about 200 yards from the damaged plane, and the pilot climbed into his machine, but owing to his injury he could not keep it straight and it turned over. The two officers extricated themselves, set fire to the machine and made their way to the damaged one, which they succeeded in starting. Finally, Lieutenant McNamara, although weak from loss of blood, flew the machine back to the aerodrome (70 miles away).

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BerichtGeplaatst: 17 Jan 2006 7:55    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Three people have earned two V.C's here's their story...


First V.C.
On 9 August 1916, at Guillemont, France, Captain Chavasse attended to the wounded all day under heavy fire, frequently in view of the enemy, and during the night he continued searching for wounded in front of the enemy's lines. Next day, under heavy shell fire he and a stretcher bearer carried an urgent case 500 yards to safety, being wounded himself during the journey. The same night, with 20 volunteers, he rescued three wounded men from a shell-hole 36 yards from enemy trenches, buried the bodies of two officers and collected many identity discs. Altogether he saved the lives of some 20 wounded men.
Second V.C.
During the period 31 July to 2 August 1917, at Wieltje, Belgium, Captain Chavasse although severely wounded early in the action while carrying a wounded officer to the dressing station, refused to leave his post and in addition to his normal duties, went out repeatedly under heavy fire to attend the wounded. During this time, although practically without food, worn with fatigue and faint from his wound, he helped to carry in badly wounded men, being instrumental in saving many who would otherwise have died under the bad weather conditions. Captain Chavasse subsequently died of his wounds.

First V.C.
Between 22 and 30 May 1941 in Crete, Greece, Second Lieutenant Upham displayed outstanding leadership and courage in the very close-quarter fighting. He was blown up by one mortar shell and badly wounded by another. He was also wounded in the foot, but in spite of his wounds and a severe attack of dysentery, he refused to go to hospital. He carried a wounded man back to safety when his company was forced to retire on 22 May and on 30 May he beat off an attack at Sphakia, 22 Germans falling to his short-range fire.
Second V.C.
On 14/15 July 1942 at El Ruweisat Ridge, Western Desert, Captain Upham, in spite of being twice wounded, insisted on remaining with his men. Just before dawn he led his company in a determined attack, capturing the objective after fierce fighting; he himself destroyed a German tank and several guns and vehicles with hand grenades. Although his arm had been broken by a machine-gun bullet, he continued to dominate the situation and when at last, weak from loss of blood, he had his wounds dressed, he immediately returned to his men, remaining with them until he was again severely wounded and unable to move.

First V.C.
On 8 February 1902, at Vlakfontein, South Africa, Surgeon Captain Martin-Leake went out into the firing line to dress a wounded man under very heavy enemy fire only 100 yards off. He then attended a badly wounded officer and while doing so was shot himself. He only gave up when thoroughly exhausted and then refused water until other wounded men had been served.
Second V.C.
During the period 29 October to 8 November 1914 near Zonnebeke, Belgium, Lieutenant Martin-Leake showed most conspicuous bravery and devotion to duty in rescuing, whilst exposed to constant fire, a large number of the wounded who were lying dose to the enemy's trenches.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 17 Jan 2006 7:57    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Here are some more unusual facts about the V.C.

# It was actually possible to have a V.C. taken off you if it was so deemed. This involved the person's name being erased from the official Register and their pension cancelled. There are eight cases where this has happened. King George V was very much against the possibility that anyone could lose thier V.C. and he was once quoted in a letter as saying 'Even if a VC bearer be sentenced to hang for murder, he should be allowed to wear his VC on the scaffold'. The eight men who forfeited theirs were : Midshipman Edward Daniel, Crimean War
Convicted of desertion / evading court martial.
# Sergeant James McGuire,Indian Mutiny
Convicted of theft of a cow.
# Private Valentine Bambrick, Indian Mutiny
Convicted of assault and theft of a comrade's medals.
# Private Michael Murphy, Indian Mutiny
Convicted of theft of 10 bushels of oats.
# Private Thomas Lane, China
Convicted of desertion on active service & theft of a horse, arms and accoutrements.
# Private Frederick Corbett, Egypt & Sudan
Convicted of embezzlement & theft from an officer.
# Gunner James Collis, Afghan War
Convicted of bigamy.
# Private George Ravenhill, Boer War
Convicted of theft of iron.

# The youngest winner of the V.C. was just 15 years old (actually there are two 15 yr old winners)!
# The oldest winner of the V.C. was 61 years old.
# There has been three cases of father and son awards and four cases of brothers awarded.
# There has yet to be a V.C. awarded to a woman.

It is worth remembering that many servicemen who merited the Victoria Cross never received it because their actions went unnoticed, or the witnesses were killed, or whose self-sacrifice resulted in a lonely death in an unmarked grave. This is true no matter what the nationality of the person and is the reason why the tomb of a nation's unknown warrior usually has the highest gallantry decoration bestowed upon it.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 26 Jan 2006 22:05    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

ECHT of REPLICA?
Een VC medaille is een gegeerde en kostbare zeldzaamheid.Dit geeft echter aanleiding tot het aanmaken van replica's,evenwel meestal met goede bedoelingen.Zo kunnen medailleverzamelaars in plaats van de voor de meesten de te dure echte,zich voor enkele tientjes een namaakexemplaar aanschaffen.Sommige replica's zijn uit metaal geslagen en met enkele gegoten types van slechte kwaliteit.Bovendien zijn ze dan ook nog te licht van kleur.Sommige zijn echter zeer goed nagemaakt.Hier dan wel eens met onheuse bedoelingen.Maar door de afkoeling van het metaal in de nagemaakte gietmal zijn ze iets kleiner,bijgevolg ook iets lichter,dan de echte.De firma HANCOCKS,de enige echte VC -maker,kan altijd vaststellen of ze met een echte of valse te doen hebben.Ze hechten geen grote belangrijkheid aan het gewicht.De dikte is voor hun ook niet zo van belang vermits deze kan varieren,vooral bij de eerste uitgaven.Hoe ze juist de echtheid bepalen is hun geheim.Allerlei verhalen zijn hiervan te vinden.Zo is er bijvoorbeeld sprake van een voor het gewone oog onzichtbare lijn die door de medaille loopt.Maar hier gaan we het niet over hebben,wel over het volgende.
Op een honderdtal locaties op de wereld is er een VC medaille,meestal meerdere,door het gewone publiek te zien.ON DISPLAY noemt men dit .Van het totaal van de 1352+3bars uitgereikte medailles zijn er dit een 800-tal.De overigen zijn in privaatbezit of bij verzamelaars.Een behoorlijk aantal wat Jan met de pet kan zien?Ja,maar er is een MAAR.
De waarde van de medaille is de laatste jaren enorm gestegen.De zeldzaamheid en de veel geringere kans op het nog kunnen behalen,na WO2 tot hiertoe sechts 12,draagt hier vooral toe bij.Een andere reden zijn de rijke privaatverzamelaars,waarvan sommige echte jagers op de medailles zijn.Als een medaille op een van de gekende huizen geveild wordt gaan de geboden prijzen de hoogte in.150.000 Pond is geen zeldzaamheid meer.De musea kunnen deze prijzen meestal niet aan.Zulke medailles zijn dikwijls bij hun in leen.Als deze dan overgaat naar een verzamelaar moeten ze deze afstaan en verdwijnt de medaille in de anomiteit.Zo gaan er steeds meer en meer medailles uit de musea.In 2000 waren er nog zo een 835 door het publiek te bewonderen.Nu nog,zoals reeds vermeld,een 800-tal.
Valt nog mee?Er is echter nog een MAAR.Veel musea gaan zelf over tot het plaatsen van replica's in hun tentoonstellingen.Dit heeft als redenen besparingen in kosten op personeel en beveiliging.Ook vermijdt men hiermee het betalen van hoge verzekeringspremies en de schadeclaims bij eventuele diefstal.De familie van een VC-houder,die hun medaille in leen geeft,wenst ook steeds meer en meer het plaatsen van een replica.Zo is er bijvoorbeeld in het RAF museum in Hendon géén enkele echte VC medaille meer te zien.Bij een recent bezoek was de WO1 -afdeling gewoonweg gesloten.De echte kollektie wordt in een aparte,geheime,kamer bewaart.Uiteraard niet voor het gewone publiek toegankelijk.
Niet wanhopen,er zijn nog genoeg echte te zien.Bij het bezoek aan een museum vraag je welke echt zijn en leg je je bedoelingen even uit,zoals foto's ervan maken.
Onderstaand twee foto's.Eentje is echt,de ander is een replica.Het is geen raadspelletje maar je kunt misschien uitmaken welke de echte is.

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Among the first Welsh men to win the VC was seaman William Williams who was nominated by his shipmates.

Born in Well Street, Amlwch Port, Wiliams earned it for his role in the sinking of a German submarine in the Atlantic on July 20, 1917.

He served aboard HMS Par-gust which was torpedoed. The crew pretended to abandon ship, complete with a stuffed parrot in a cage, leaving a small group of men on board.

For more than 30 minutes Seaman Williams manned the starboard gun until the submarine surfaced nearby and he opened fire. The German sub-marine UC-29 eventually sank.

The VC of Williams, who died in Holyhead on October 23, 1965, is at the National Museums and Galleries of Wales, Cardiff.

Fred Birks, of Buckley, earned a posthumous Victoria Cross for his bravery at Ypres, Belgium, on November 8, 1917 in World War I.

Second lieutenant Birks died when he single-handedly captured a machine-gun against 25 of the enemy.

He was hit while trying to help comrades buried after the area was hit by a shell.

Captain Bernard Armitage Warburton Warburton-Lee, 44, of Redbrook, Maelor, then in Flintshire, earned the VC on April 10, 1940 when he led a flotilla of five destroyers in a surprise attack on German destroyers and merchant ships in a blinding snowstorm in Ofotfjord, Narvik, Norway.

Other Victoria Cross holders with Welsh connections include

* Stephen Halden Beattie who was born at The Vicarage, Leighton, Montgomery, Wales, was awarded the VC on May 21, 1942.

* William Davidson Bissett, who died in Wrexham War Memorial Hospital, earned the VC on January 6, 1919.

* Hughie Idwal (later Sir Hughie) Edwards, KCMG, CB, DSO, OBE, DFC, earned the VC on July 22, 1941.His parents were from Merionethshire but in about 1909 emigrated to Australia where Hughie was born in 1914.

* Brigadier General Lewis Pugh Evans CB, CMG, DSO, who was born Lovesgrove, Abermaed, Aberystwyth, earned his VC on November 26, 1917.

* Arthur Moore Lascelles MC, who lived in his youth at Penmaen, Pennel, Machynlleth, Merionethshire, earned his VC on January 11, 1918.

* David Samuel Anthony Lord DFC, of Wrexham, won his VC on November 13, 1945.

* Lionel Wilmot Brabazon Rees OBE, MC, AFC, who was born in Plas Llanwnda, Caernarfon, earned his VC on August 5, 1916.

* Hugh Rowlands (later Sir Hugh) KCB, who was born in Plastirion, Llanrug, Caernarfon, earned his VC on February 24, 1857.

* John Fox Russell MC, who was born at Plas Tanalltran, Holyhead, won his VC on January 11, 1918.

* William Herbert Waring MM, who was born in Rock Terrace, Raven Square, Welshpool, earned his VC on January 31, 1919.

* Henry Weale, who was born at Nine Houses, Shotton, earned his VC on November 15, 1918.

Medals made of captured guns

THE Victoria Cross was instituted by a Royal Warrant dated 29 January 1856, but was made retrospective to the autumn of 1854 to cover the Crimean War.

Prince Albert, the Prince Consort, was involved in the decision to institute the Victoria Cross but the manufacturers designed it. Queen Victoria chose the inscription on the obverse "For Valour".

Hancocks (Jewellers) Ltd, London, have made all the Victoria Crosses since the inception of the award.

VCs are made from bronze. The metal comes from melted down breeches of guns captured from the Russians at Sebastopol in the Crimea. The rough cast crosses are then individually hand finished so each is unique. The remaining ingot of bronze, believed to be sufficient for a further 80 crosses, is held by the Ministry of Defence.

Most recently Private Johnson Gideon Beharry, The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, received a VC for service in Iraq on May 1, 2004 and June 11, 2004.

Only 12 VCs have been awarded since 1946, six of them posthumously.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 Jan 2006 20:47    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

erik @ 26 Jan 2006 22:05 schreef:
Onderstaand twee foto's.Eentje is echt,de ander is een replica.Het is geen raadspelletje maar je kunt misschien uitmaken welke de echte is.



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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 Jan 2006 21:35    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Heb ze wat uitvergroot(scherpte is niet optimaal):


De bovenste is een replica,de onderste echt.
Is vooral te zien aan de platte gedeelten en de verhoogde randen.Bij de echte zijn er duidelijke oneffenheden te zien,putjes en bobbeltjes.
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WILLIAM ANGUS VC

THE RESCUE





William Angus VC is the most famous son of Carluke, a small town in Lanarkshire, Scotland. On leaving school he was employed as a miner, but escaped the rigours of that work when his soccer abilities led to him joining Glasgow Celtic as a professional footballer. As he struggled to gain a place in the strong Celtic team of that time, his sporting days were interrupted by the outbreak of war.

As men were being called to arms on the Western Front of France, a recruiting drive was held near Carluke. Sergeant Major George Caven of the famous Highland Light Infantry addressed many of the town's young men, telling them of the need for more troops to join those fighting for King and Country. Two of the volunteers he signed up that day were William Angus and James Martin, both townsmen of Carluke, whose careers and lives were to be later inexorably bound up in an amazing example of humanity and great courage.

Both men were sent to Dunoon for training with the Territorial Battalion of the Highland Light Infantry. On completion of training, they learned that their battalion was not to be immediately sent into action. To overcome this, both men volunteered for an attachment to the 8th Royal Scots, who were heading for the Western Front a few days later.

Thrown into the turmoil of trench warfare, the two men were quickly separated when Angus was wounded by gunfire. After recovering from his wounds, Angus returned to the trenches. A few weeks later his path was again to cross that of James Martin, in an event that was to inspire people around the world, but none more so that those in their small town of Carluke, who understood exactly what drove one of her sons to risk certain death for another.

On 12th June 1915, 'D' Company 8th Royal Scots were in a front line trench on the outskirts of Givenchy La Bassé, in northern France. Just 70 yards lay between them and the German trenches. For many weeks the German front line had held a strategic point on top of a small embankment. In trench map notation, it was known as Point I4. The British had pushed back the German front line on both sides of this point, but the embankment afforded the enemy an elevated view over 'No Man's Land', and had proved insurmountable.

During the night of 11 June, it was decided to launch a covert bombing raid on the embankment, in the hope of displacing the enemy and allowing the storming of their trench. A party of bombers led by Lt James Martin was chosen to carry out this task. The Germans had long anticipated such a move, and as soon as the bombers began their work, the enemy detonated a large mine secreted in the earth. This blew a vast hole in the embankment, creating a gap 15 feet wide, and reducing the embankment to ground level at it's northern edge. It forced the bombing party to retreat to the British trenches.

As they regrouped, they found that Lt Martin was among those missing. Always a popular officer with the troops, his loss was a major blow to them. As 12th June dawned, they could see Lt Martin lying on the embankment, close to the parapet that housed the enemy machine guns. As they watched, they saw him stir, barely conscious, but obviously alive. So close was he to the German parapet that the enemy could not bring their guns to bear on him.

As the hot day wore on, Martin recovered sufficiently to plead with the Germans for a drink of water. They responded by throwing a bomb over the parapet. The British troops were outraged and talk soon spread along the trench about the officer's predicament. L/Cpl Angus, on hearing of the situation, immediately volunteered to attempt a rescue. This was vetoed by senior officers, but Angus was adamant that he be allowed to make the attempt. Explaining that he and Martin belonged to the same small town in Scotland, he felt that he could not return there having left him to die. His pleas were rejected until the arrival of Brigadier General Lawford, who eventually agreed to allow Angus to make the attempt. Counseled that he was facing certain death, Angus replied that it did not matter much whether death came now or later.

A rope was tied around the L/Cpl, so that he could be dragged back if killed or seriously injured, and he set off on his mission. He used ground cover so effectively that he managed to reach Martin without being detected. His first unselfish act was to remove his rope lifeline and tie it instead around Lt Martin. He raised him up and fed him some brandy, preparing for the dangerous return. At some point the enemy became aware of his presence and began to throw bombs over the parapet. Angus raised Martin to his feet and began to carry him back across No Mans Land towards the safety of the trench 70 yards away. A hail of bombs and bullets followed, and on several occasions he fell to the ground wounded, only to rise again and continue carrying the officer towards safety.

The throwing of bombs caused a great deal of dust, which spoiled the aim of the snipers. Shrapnel from the bombs was considerable, and Angus suffered several serious injuries as he sheltered Lt Martin with his body. Eventually, Martin recovered sufficiently for Angus to signal the troops to pull the officer in unaided. At that point Angus set off at right angles to the trench, drawing the enemy fire with him, and allowing others to haul Lt Martin into the trench. Mown down on several occasions, the injuries were to cost William Angus his left eye and part of his right foot. He eventually reached the safety of a British trench, where he collapsed and was rushed to a medical station and evacuated.

Word of his action passed quickly around the front, and back home to Britain. Lt.Colonel Gemmill, Officer Commanding at Givenchy, wrote that, 'No braver deed was ever done in the history of the British Army'. (See The Reports page). L/Cpl Angus was recommended for the Victoria Cross, and no-one who had witnessed the incident was in any doubt that he would receive it.

After unsuccessful attempts to save his eye, Lance Corporal Angus returned to Britain, and on 30 August 1915 he was presented with the Victoria Cross at Buckingham Palace. The King was particularly impressed by the incident and on hearing that Willie's father was in the adjoining room, insisted that he be brought to join his son for the occasion. The King spoke with both men for a time far in excess of that allocated, and repeatedly expressed his admiration and appreciation of such bravery. (See The Reports page)

L/Cpl Angus's story lives on in the annals of the British Army. One of the great heroes of the war, he remained a very unassuming man, never speaking of his actions unless pressed hard to do so, with his account always falling short of the facts. Both he and James Martin returned to Carluke, where they became firm friends. Every year Martin sent him a telegram on the anniversary of the incident. 'Congratulations on the 12th', it always read. On Martin's death in 1956, his brother continued the tradition.

William Angus remained a well loved and respected member of the Carluke community. He was employed as Master of Works for the Racecourse Betting Control Board. A Justice of the Peace and President of Carluke Rovers football club, he is remembered with great affection in the town, where a street is named in his honour. He died on 14 June 1959, and is buried in Wilton Cemetery, Carluke, where his headstone displays a replica of the world's most distinguished bravery award.

His Victoria Cross is displayed in the new Scottish War Museum in Edinburgh Castle, where the display tells the story of two men who grew up together, who joined the army together, went to war together, and thanks to this incredible display of courage and humanity, returned home together. Continuing this theme, the medals of Lt Martin are displayed there alongside William Angus's VC.

In these days where the term 'hero' is recklessly applied to sportsmen and politicians, William Angus VC illustrates the real meaning of the word. We shall seldom see his like again.



This photograph shows the headstone at the grave of William Angus VC, in Wilton Cemetery, Wilton Road, Carluke.

The replica of the Victoria Cross was designed and manufactured by Mr Angus's engineer son, the late Nugent Angus. Nugent made the replica and fixed it to the headstone in 1975, covering an original carving of the medal into the granite of the stone. The original had weathered and was barely visible.

William Angus VC died just two days after the 44th anniversary of his brave deed. His last annual telegram of thanks from the Martin family was delivered to him in hospital.
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The Victoria Cross Flight

Victoria Cross Billy Bishop took off before 4:00 am on 2 June, 1917, a morning of cloud and rain, and headed toward Cambrai to a German areodrome.

He dived on the field in the first light of dawn and fired toward the tent hangars. Four Albatross pilots tried to take off to get at him. Bishop shot one of them up as it's wheels left the ground. He turned back over the field and fired at a second one. He missed, but the pilot crashed anyway.

The other two Albatross took off in opposite directions, one of them flying away, one of them scraping with Bishop before being shot down over a near field.

Billy Bishop was awarded the Victoria Cross for his "Dawn Attack". (See painting below)



The Victoria Cross is in recognition of most exceptional bravery displayed in presence of the enemy.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 24 Mei 2006 22:03    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Temporary Captain BALL Albert.
7th Bn Sherwood foresters(the Robin Hoods) attached 56 Sqaudron RFC.
KIA 7-5-1917.20 Jaar.
Officiele overwinningen:43 vliegtuigen en 1 ballon.

Medailles te zien in het Sherwood Foresters Museum,The Castle,Nottingham:
VC,DSO & 2 bars,MC,1914-15 Star,BWM,VM with "MID oakleaf",Légion d'Honneur,Order of St Georges(4th Class)

In nog onduidelijke omstandigheden storte Albert met zijn vliegtuig dodelijk neer in een veld ten oosten van de D41c tussen Carnin en Alennes-les-Marais.In maart 1920 kocht zijn vader,Sir Albert,het gehele veld en richte er een monument op.De boer moest het onderhouden in plaats voor het gebruik van het land.Op de plaats van de crash werd een driehoekig stukje grond,welke het vliegtuig uitbeelde,aangeplant.Een kleine steen markeerde de plaats van de staart terwijl een grotere steen,met tekst,de neus aangaf.Ook werd er een verhard pad van de weg naar de plaats aangelegd.
Veel later werd het monument vereenvoudigd.Het verharde pad,het tuintje en de kleine steen verdween.De plicht van de boer om het te onderhouden verslapte met de jaren.In 1979 werd de enkele steen opgefrist door leden van het 60th Sqaudron RAF.Het peterschap werd in 1999 overgenomen door de Nottingham Highschool.

Op 9-5-1917 werd Albert in een houten kist met militaire eer door de Duitsers begraven op het gemeentelijk kerkhof van Annoeullin,welk een uitbreiding had met Duitse gesneuvelden.Een houten kruis werd door de Duitsers geplaatst.Dit werd in december 1918 vervangen door een ander houten kruis op initiatief van het 207th Sqaudron RAF.Het derde en definitieve stenen kruis kreeg Albert's graf van zijn vader in 1919.Deze stond erop dat zijn zoon er begraven bleef en niet naar een Cemetery overgebracht werd.Hij richte een fonds op voor de betaling van het onderhoud van dit speciale graf.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 02 Jul 2006 1:10    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Private LYNN John VC,DCM
2nd Bn The Lancashire Fusiliers.
Op 2 mei 1915 zetten de Duitsers hun offensief tegen Ieper voort.In de namiddag rukte hun infanterie op achter een dikke wolk dodelijk chloorgas.Ze werden echter door de Britten opgewacht.Een van hun,Private John Lynn,bemande een machinegeweer nabij het Wieltje.Bij het verschijnen van de Duitsers opende hij onmiddellijk het vuur.Toen zijn zicht door de gaswolk belemmerd werd aarzelde hij niet en plaatste het machinegeweer boven op de PARAPET.In deze blootgestelde positie vuurde John zonder verpozen op de naderende vijand.

Deze actie van Lynn miste zijn uitwerking niet.Zijn vuren was zo doeltreffend dat toen de Duitsers de Britse frontlinie op een honderd meter genaderd waren er voor hun niets anders opzat dan om te keren en de benen te nemen.
Tijdens de aanval had Lynn geen gasmasker opgezet.Zonder deze bescherming gebeurde het onvermijdelijke,zwaar bevangen door het gas stuikte John even later ineen.Zijn makkers brachten hem naar een hulppost.Per ambulance werd hij naar een veldhospitaal overgebracht maar overleed er nog dezelfde dag in hevige pijnen.Hij werd begraven op VLAMERTINGHE CHURCHYARD.Zijn graf ging later door artilllerievuur verloren en Lynn werd MISSING.Zijn naam zou dan normaal gezien op de Menenpoort ingebeiteld worden.Dit gebeurde niet en door een niet achterhaalde reden kreeg hij toch een grafsteen.Een herdenkingssteen(SPECIAL MEMORIAL) met het vrij zeldzame opschrift "TO THE MEMORY OF" op het GROOTEBEEK BRITISH CEMETERY.




Niet alleen Lynn's SPECIAL MEMORIAL (uiterst rechts op de foto) is bijzonder maar ook deze begraafplaats.In april 1915 werd hier een kleine INDIAN CEMETERY aangelegd met uiteindelijk maar zeven graven.Bij het begin van de BATTLES OF THE LYS in april 1918 werd door de toen hier gestationeerde FIELD AMBULANCES een nieuwe begraafplaats geopend,OUDERDOM MILITARY CEMETERY,die in intervallen tot eind september 1918 gebruikt werd.De naam werd later in de huidige vervangen en de INDIAN CEMETERY werd mee opgenomen.Er zijn nu 110 graven.
Het speciale aan deze kleine,maar prachtige,begraafplaats is dat deze volledig omgeven is door de Grootebeek en alzo op een eilandje ligt.Eigenlijk nu meer een schiereilandje omdat ze een tijdje terug volledig heraangelegd is.Met het stijlvolle bruggetje,waar de REGISTERBOX in opgenomen is,vormt deze begraafplaats nu een oase van rust.
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Lieutenant Colonel Martin-Leake


Lieutenant Colonel Martin-Leake one of just three soldiers to win two VCs
Surgeon saved the lives of wounded comrades in Boer War with enemy riflemen just 100 yards away
Aged 40, he feared he was too old to volunteer for the Western Front and travelled to Paris to enlist



He was a medical man who tended to the sick and injured at a local hospital in the shires.
But Arthur Martin-Leake became one of Britain's greatest war heroes — earning the Victoria Cross for extreme bravery not once, but twice.
On the battlefields of the Second Boer War in South Africa he ignored the risk of death from heavy rifle fire to save the lives of wounded comrades.

A decade on, he displayed the same selfless heroism when confronted by mortal danger amid the carnage and chaos of the First World War.
Lieutenant Colonel Martin-Leake is one of only three soldiers to win two VCs — the highest award for gallantry in the face of the enemy — since it was instituted in 1856.
Now his little-known exploits have been revealed as his military records are published online for the first time.
Lieutenant Colonel Martin-Leake’s details are among 540,000 pages of mostly handwritten military service documents placed on the family tree website findmypast.co.uk.
Even though his military career was one of the most distinguished in the history of the Army, his story has not been widely told.



Born near Ware, Hertfordshire, in April 1874, he was educated at the exclusive Westminster School before studying medicine at University College Hospital.
He worked at Hemel Hempstead District Hospital before joining the Imperial Yeomanry in 1899 to serve in the Second Boer War.
Following a stint as a civilian surgeon, he then joined the South Africa Constabulary and returned to the frontline.
He won his first VC in February 1902 when, as a Surgeon Captain, he risked his life at Vlakfontein in the Transvaal to treat a wounded man under intense fire from 40 Boer riflemen just 100 yards away.
He then dashed to help an injured officer. Despite being shot three times, Lt Col Martin-Leake continued to dress the wounds of his comrades until he collapsed exhausted, having first ordered that his colleagues received water before he did.
At the outbreak of the First World War Lt Col Martin-Leake, then aged 40, feared he would be considered too old to volunteer for the Western Front.
To avoid being rejected he travelled to Paris and enlisted at the British Consulate before attaching himself to the first medical unit he could find — the 5th Field Ambulance Royal Army Medical Corps.


He was awarded his second VC for the ‘most conspicuous bravery and devotion to duty’ during ferocious fighting near Zonnebeke, Belgium, in October and November 1914.
Braving constant machinegun, sniper and shellfire, he rescued a large number of wounded comrades lying close to the enemy's trenches.
Recommending him for a Bar to his VC, his commanding officer wrote: ‘By his devotion many lives have been saved that would otherwise undoubtedly have been lost.
‘His behaviour on three occasions when the dressing station was heavily shelled was such as to inspire confidence both with the wounded and the staff. It is not possible to quote any one specific act performed because his gallant conduct was continual.’
Lt Col Martin-Leake was the first man to be honoured with two VCs.
Captain Noel Chavasse, of the Royal Army Medical Corps, received his VC and Bar for acts of heroism in the First World War. He died of his wounds in August 1917 being tended by Lt Col Martin-Leake.
Second Lieutenant Charles Upham, from New Zealand, was awarded his VCs for outstanding leadership and courage in the battle of Crete in May 1941 and then in North Africa in July 1942.
Lt Col Martin-Leake later commanded a mobile Air Raid Precaution post in the Second World War. He died aged 79 in 1953.
Debra Chatfield, a family historian from findmypast.co.uk said: ‘Arthur Martin-Leake was a real war hero who was awarded the VC twice for his valour, and it is wonderful that these records of his early military career as a reservist in the Imperial Yeomanry have survived and can now be seen online.’

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BerichtGeplaatst: 27 Apr 2013 6:50    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Voor de geïnteresseerden: auteur Gerald Gliddon heeft een ganse reeks boeken geschreven over dit onderwerp
("VC's of the First World War").

Zie oa. http://www.goodreads.com/author/list/215768.Gerald_Gliddon
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BerichtGeplaatst: 27 Feb 2014 21:24    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Erg interessant allemaal ik heb gelijk zin om medailles te gaan verzamelen.
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BerichtGeplaatst: 02 Mrt 2014 11:52    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Dan toch geen VC's hoop ik Smile
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BerichtGeplaatst: 03 Mrt 2014 8:48    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Er bestaan "slechtere" zaken om te beginnen verzamelen Smile Budget mogelijk vanaf 1 € tot xxxxxx, alle landen, alle periodes, ruime literatuur voorhanden, gespecialiseerde fora en verenigingen, weinig plaats nodig om te verzamelen/tentoon te stellen, veel mogelijkheden om stukken te vinden (van rommelmarkt tot internetshops), aankoop in buitenland mogelijk (geen overdreven verzending) etc...
Maar ik ben bevooroordeeld natuurlijk Wink
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Je mag je berichten niet bewerken
Je mag je berichten niet verwijderen
Ja mag niet stemmen in polls


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