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Boy, 12, was 'youngest British soldier in First World War'

 
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BerichtGeplaatst: 01 Nov 2009 23:22    Onderwerp: Boy, 12, was 'youngest British soldier in First World War' Reageer met quote

A boy of 12 who fought at the Battle of the Somme is youngest known British soldier to have served in the First World War.

The child, said to be too short to see over the edge of a trench, was recalled by another under-age soldier, George Maher, who was only 13 when he was sent to the Somme during the First Wold War.

Mr Maher had told a recruiting officer that he was 18 to enable him to join the 2nd King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment in 1917. But his true age was revealed when he broke down in tears under shellfire and was hauled before an unsympathetic officer.

Mr Maher, who died aged 96 in 1999, remembered: "I was locked up on a train under guard, one of five under-age boys caught serving on the front being sent back to England.

"The youngest was 12 years old. A little nuggety bloke he was, too. We joked that the other soldiers would have had to have lifted him up to see over the trenches."

Mr Maher's story, reported in The Sun, has been collected by historian Richard Van Emden for his book: Veterans: The Last Survivors Of The Great War.

Some will feature in Channel Four's Last Voices of World War One, to be screened on Monday.

The testimonies include that of Infantry private Fred Francis, who recalled the horror of the Somme: "Getting over the top, we were sitting ducks. They mowed us down like grass in the hayfield. As I dropped on my face, I could hear the shrapnel dropping on my helmet and I said to myself, 'There'll be no battalion left after this.'"

Royal Engineer Tom Dewing remembered watching an infantry attack: "When the mist and smoke cleared, we were able to see them going forward. They didn't get very far – they were just wiped out.

"The following day's roll-call was tragic. The colonels were sitting in the front of what was left of their men, sobbing. There were so few left."

Private Ernie Stevens, of the 20th Middlesex Regiment, was taken prisoner and remembered: "It was the most horrible thing I had ever imagined.

"It made me feel as if I was a coward, like I'd let down my country, my unit and my family."

Helen Gordon-Dean, who lied about her age to serve as a volunteer nurse, spoke of "horrific, shocking" wounds full of maggots and young soldiers holding her hands as they died.

She added: "You didn't want to believe what you were seeing – the horror of what people were doing to each other."

By Julie Henry
Published: 9:17AM GMT 31 Oct 2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/6472805/Boy-12-was-youngest-British-soldier-in-First-World-War.html
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BerichtGeplaatst: 17 Nov 2009 21:04    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Ik zal weer een beroep moeten doen op Engelse vrienden om die documentaire op Channel 4 te krijgen.

Er was nog een 12-jarige aan de Somme : Private Lewis. Al weet niemand meer over hem te vertellen.

Enkele experten trekken het verhaal van George Maher serieus in twijfel, hoewel Richard van Emden die het verhaal van Maher brengt, toch iemand is die zijn bronnen wel goed zal checken.
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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 Nov 2009 6:49    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Van Emden is volgens mij vooral iemand die graag boeken verkoopt. Ik heb ook steeds bedenkingen gehad bij de manier waarop hij met Harry Patch "leurde".

Naarmate er meer en meer boeken verschijnen over de Eerste Wereldoorlog moeten de verhalen alsmaar straffer worden om ze nog te verkopen en vermits de man onder andere leeft van zijn pen ben ik nogal argwanend t.o.v. zijn intenties. Het lijkt me eerder een gladde jongen.

12 jaar lijkt me echt wel onmogelijk, met de beste wil van de wereld kan zo'n jongen niet aanzien worden voor iemand van 18 of 19 jaar.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 Nov 2009 15:47    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Ik begrijp het wantrouwen, Erwin. Maar deze man is echt wel al jaren bezig met hetzelfde onderwerp en ik kan hem in zijn boek over boy soldiers maar op weinig fouten betrappen. Paul Reed schrijft :
'Richard Van Emden is a good researcher, and I am presuming they have reported this wrongly, as there is no George Maher in the regiment stated. '
En Paul Reed is echt wel een expert.

Ik heb eerder mijn twijfels over een schrijver als Max Arthur.
Maar dat Van Emden zijn boeken goed 'marketeert', is een feit. Dat hoeft niet meteen te betekenen dat je geen historisch verantwoord boek kunt schrijven. [/i]
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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 Nov 2009 16:53    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Niet dat ik het verhaal als juist of onjuist wil bestempelen.
Ik denk echter dat Erwin bedoeld (en ik heb er toch ook vragen bij), dat de morfologie van een 12 jarige die zelf beweert te klein te zijn om over de rand van de loopgraaf te kijken, anders is dan die van een opgeschoten vroege puber van dezelfde leeftijd.
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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 Nov 2009 18:32    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Ik denk dat ze tegen volgend jaar een drie jaar oude peuter gaan vinden die dienst heeft gedaan...

Het moet altijd ouder/jonger/beter/...
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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 Nov 2009 19:41    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Ik heb ook dat gevoel, AOK4... Rolling Eyes

Maar indien correct, illustreert dit nog maar eens tot welke gekheid men gedreven werd.
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BerichtGeplaatst: 19 Nov 2012 16:59    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

pifilsofimos @ 17 Nov 2009 21:04 schreef:
Ik zal weer een beroep moeten doen op Engelse vrienden om die documentaire op Channel 4 te krijgen.

Er was nog een 12-jarige aan de Somme : Private Lewis. Al weet niemand meer over hem te vertellen.

Enkele experten trekken het verhaal van George Maher serieus in twijfel, hoewel Richard van Emden die het verhaal van Maher brengt, toch iemand is die zijn bronnen wel goed zal checken.


Sinds kort wel:
Identity of 12 year-old WW1 veteran revealed – Sidney Lewis enlisted during the school holidays in August 1915 and fought on the Somme

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The Sunday People yesterday revealed the identity of the youngest authenticated British soldier to fight in World War 1, thanks to the soldier’s son.

Colin Lewis was reading a Remembrance Sunday feature in the paper last week about WW1′s boy soldiers when he suddenly recognised his father Sidney, who enlisted in the British Army in August 1915 at the tender age of 12 years and 4 months. Sidney, one of seven children from Tooting, South London, kept his age secret during 10 months of training with the East Sussex Regiment. He was then posted to the Western Front in May or June 1916, attached to the Machine Gun Corps, and it is probable that he operated a Lewis gun at the Battle of the Somme.

Military historian and expert on Britain’s boy soldiers, Richard van Emden, said,


Pte Sidney Lewis, who enlisted aged 12
“Private Sidney Lewis was born on March 12, 1903, and enlisted in August 1915. That makes him the youngest authenticated serving soldier of the First World War. It is astonishing to think he went on to serve on the Western Front for at least six weeks without anyone in authority realising his true age. Military historians have for ­decades known about a rather vague report that a Pte Lewis joined up at the age of 12. They’ve tried without ­success to confirm his identity. But it was only when his son read the Sunday People that he contacted me with absolute proof that his father was the child soldier.”

Colin, aged 80 and Sidney’s only child, said,

“My father told me more than once that he had been in the Great War. Knowing that he was born in 1903 I always thought he was making it up. His age was all wrong for it. We had always been an Army family. My grandfather George had served in the Boer War. So when my father told me he had fought as a boy on the Somme I assumed he had just let his imagination run a bit wild. After his death in 1969 the family went through his effects and it was only then that I ­realised he had been telling the truth all along. I felt really bad because I’d never believed him. But thanks to the Sunday People’s article I was reminded what a ­uniquely brave dad I had.”

Pte Lewis was found out by the military authorities in August 1916 after his mother heard that her son was serving on the Western Front from a comrade who was home on leave. She immediately wrote to the Army to have him discharged.

Colin said, “My grandparents must have been worried sick when Dad disappeared. They had no idea where he had gone. It was only when an older lad returned from France on leave that my ­grandmother learned the truth. She couldn’t get him home straight away. The Army kept him in uniform and sent him to a camp in Lincolnshire to await his discharge. He must have re-enlisted when he was old enough. He told me that after the war he was in Austria in the army of occupation. I knew that to be true.”

After his second stint of Army service, Sidney joined the police force in Surrey. When WW2 broke out he volunteered to work on bomb disposal.

Richard van Emden, author of the book Boy Soldiers of the Great War, said,

“At the start of the First World War young Britons joined up on a tide of ­patriotism. People were entirely ­ignorant of the catastrophic ­effects of modern industrial war. So all too often parents allowed their boys to enlist in the belief that they would enjoy some fresh air and fun with their mates. At the time Sidney Lewis enlisted in August 1915 there was a 30 per cent leap in the number of underage boys joining up. It was the start of school holidays. Also by mid 1915 the number of ­volunteers had shrunk alarmingly but the Army’s monthly requirement for men was rising sharply because of the casualties. Recruiting sergeants, paid a bounty for every man, were cajoling young lads to enlist. And they were even happier to turn a blind eye to the false ages given by ­enthusiastic youngsters, some of whom had run away from home to join up. We don’t know into which category Sidney Lewis falls. But we now know he was the youngest among those brave, ­adventurous but foolhardy young boys.”

http://www.abroadintheyard.com/identity-of-12-year-old-ww1-veteran-revealed/

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BerichtGeplaatst: 10 Nov 2013 22:54    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Yvonne @ 19 Nov 2012 16:59 schreef:
pifilsofimos @ 17 Nov 2009 21:04 schreef:
Ik zal weer een beroep moeten doen op Engelse vrienden om die documentaire op Channel 4 te krijgen.

Er was nog een 12-jarige aan de Somme : Private Lewis. Al weet niemand meer over hem te vertellen.

Enkele experten trekken het verhaal van George Maher serieus in twijfel, hoewel Richard van Emden die het verhaal van Maher brengt, toch iemand is die zijn bronnen wel goed zal checken.


Sinds kort wel:
Identity of 12 year-old WW1 veteran revealed – Sidney Lewis enlisted during the school holidays in August 1915 and fought on the Somme


En een jaar later weet men weer te melden dat het de jongste is:
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Boy of 12 was Britain's youngest Great War soldier
A schoolboy who tricked his way into the trenches is declared Britain's youngest First World War soldier

By Ben Farmer, Defence Correspondent



A 12-year-old schoolboy who ran away to join the Army and found himself at the Somme has been declared the youngest authenticated combatant of the Great War.

Pte Sidney Lewis enlisted in August 1915, and was fighting in the trenches of the Western Front by the following June.

His exploits made the newspapers at the time, but the reports were considered inconclusive and until now were not corroborated by Army records, The Sunday Timesreported.


The Imperial War Museum has now officially backed his claim after being shown a bundle of family papers including his birth certificate. The new evidence included the discovery that Sidney was awarded the Victory Medal and the British War Medal.

Thousands of boys are believed to have lied about their age and signed up to fight in the First World War as waves of patriotic fervour swept the country.

Richard van Emden, author of Boy Soldiers of the Great War, who found the evidence that Sidney was awarded the medals, said the boy was deployed to France with the 106th Machine Gun Company and saw active service.
Records at the National Archives dated January 10, 1920 show Sidney G Lewis was on the roll of individuals entitled to the Victory Medal. It listed his current rank as lance sergeant and previous rank as private.
Mr van Emden said some boy soldiers were lured by the chances of adventure, while others thought the trenches could be no worse than factory work at home.

He told the newspaper: “Some parents were happy to have one less mouth to feed and some explained to their sons how to puff up their chests to meet the qualifying standard.”
Frank Bardell, 94, Sidney's brother-in-law, who lives in San Diego, said he could not explain why Sidney's mother had not intervened earlier.

Sidney underwent six months of military training with his regiment before crossing the Channel.
Mr Bardwell said: "I'm told he more or less ran away from home to enlist.”
Surviving relatives described him as a man who continued to ignore convention in later life. His son said he was a "forthright fellow" who "stood against authority".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10439095/Boy-of-12-was-Britains-youngest-Great-War-soldier.html
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BerichtGeplaatst: 11 Nov 2013 0:18    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

pifilsofimos @ 17 Nov 2009 21:04 schreef:
Ik zal weer een beroep moeten doen op Engelse vrienden om die documentaire op Channel 4 te krijgen.

Er was nog een 12-jarige aan de Somme : Private Lewis. Al weet niemand meer over hem te vertellen.

Enkele experten trekken het verhaal van George Maher serieus in twijfel, hoewel Richard van Emden die het verhaal van Maher brengt, toch iemand is die zijn bronnen wel goed zal checken.


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BerichtGeplaatst: 12 Nov 2013 20:38    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote

Youngest soldier, 13, fought in the trenches at the Somme for six weeks before his mother showed the War Office his birth certificate

Sidney Lewis was 12 when he enlisted with East Surrey Regiment in 1915
Youngster from Tooting, south London, was fighting in the Somme at 13
His worried mother Fanny wrote to the War Office with his birth certificate
Sidney was sent home but worked in bomb disposal in Second World War
He later joined the police and ran a Sussex pub before dying in 1969 at 63




Lees het hele artikel, inclusief foto's: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2499832/Sidney-Lewis-Youngest-WW1-soldier-fought-Somme-aged-13.html#ixzz2kShXt5Ma
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